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novamente o convite, a possibilidade de dialogar com todos vocês. E eu queria trazer só uma comparação importante. Se a gente for... olhar, por exemplo, o Estado de Minas Gerais para as rodovias, as rodovias na sua maior parte não são privatizadas. e é um estado em que a quantidade de acidentes é muito grande. E se a gente desce para o estado de São Paulo seguindo a mesma rodovia cruzando a fronteira entre os estados, a gente passa a acessar rodovias que foram procedidas à iniciativa privada, com uma estrutura de segurança, enfim. Eu acho que a gente pode, sim, trabalhar dentro do universo da concessão a partir de uma perspectiva de governança, de diálogo com as partes interessadas e com uma estrutura de regulação que permita atingir a ideia de desenvolvimento numa visão mais ampliada. Nós não podemos guardar a impressão de que concessão, privatização, não se privatiza os rios, se melhora o uso e se permite um uso mais adequado e mais equitável, equitativo, principalmente para as pessoas que lá estão ao seu redor. Eu acho que esse debate é importante, agradeço à deputada e fico à disposição para a gente continuar esse diálogo entre as oportunidades.

- Yes. that the deputado Jadiel Olinca made, the deputado Antônia Lúcia, who is here, I speak from Recife, I am a researcher, the founder of the Joaquin Nabucco Foundation, and I am a RICICC, which is today's Nucleus of Social Innovation in Public Policy, and I will try to contribute to the public policy, to the challenges of implementation in this process of concessing, especially in the Arctic North. as you already said, colleagues that we have a potential of 40.000 km and we have a instrument that can be better worked, the National National Desestatization is an instrument that the federal government can organize the transfer of the investment of the infrastructure for the initiative that is. The North is a strategic area, a logistic corridor that will connect several states to the port of the fachada Atlántica Norte, and it's from there that is a very expressive parcela of the grain export. Why is important to bring a debate about public policies in this discussion? First We have to overcome this issue of "desestatizing" means "relibering" the state of the world. I think it was already mentioned by colleagues, But it's not to remove the state, it's to reposition the state as a regulator and a fiscalizer. And this demands more institutional capacity, more state capacity, and not less. The state has been this great operator and this role will demand this articulation. It's important to remember that as hydrovias are not only corridors of commodities, they are for many and many Brazilians, millions and millions of Brazilians, the only way of access to essential services. So when we talk about policy public, when we talk about guaranteeing the concessions, we are talking about, beyond the element of efficiency, economic. It's important to understand That is the issue necessary, and we have to face the central tension, which is how to guarantee that the concessions carry economic efficiency without compromising, and, by the contrary, contribute to the public interest, access universal and protection socio-environmental. That. And We already know how this model is adopted, it's an articulation between There are several-chews actors, that already put very well the actions that the Ministry of Sporting Aeroportos has done, the ANTAC has done a private initiative, the communities, and the previous experiences. to the previous experiences that show that this path is possible to articulate and dialogue between these two-chairs in this process of concessions. Vision. I want to bring an special aspect of the discussion about implementation. and The implementation of this public policy will show the attention and points of attention. In terms of advance, The federal government has obviously done studies of viability in several eixas There are some that are structured the most technical detail, even though the previous governments This is a positive point. but it's important to think about the day after, the day after. From the point of view of implementation, from the point of view of putting this in practice, there are very important fragilities. So, there is to think, for example, in dragage. this operation of deepening of the leaves as a whole. This operation is one of the most expensive and needs to be contracted and confronted in a way continuous. to avoid disruptions that will comprise the logistic chain. We know that in the secas and in the chees there are different levels of navigability. but the dragage of the investment in constant. The environmental license needs to be integrated from the beginning of this process, so that it doesn't become a gargalo. And public audiences like this are have a important role, and it can be merely a formal role. so that affected populations have real capacity influence is as concessions, like a whole. When we talk about hydrovias in the Arco Norte, four big hydrocarbons. that have specificities, specificity. First, there is a extreme sazonal variation, there is a variation of 10 meters in the sea and sea. and the contracts need to contemplate this reality in a very realistic way. There is a Here. and that needs to be done with a pre-review consultation and there are biomas that are very sensitive, that need to be done socio-oriental robust. So Bastanti important. When we look at the public policies, we look specifically for four great questions, four great challenges. I wanted to bring a first challenge. The challenge is governance. Even though this action is a ação that is stimulated by the federal government and seeking a concession, these hydrovias will cross multiple states and municipalities. and that will involve the articulation of several federal entities, several ministries and agencies. So it is important to think about a federal coordination, so that this model can work with the participation of all entities. Second, It's important to have the epi-indic. It is important to ensure that the population of Siberians don't lose access to essential services. In fact, obviously when there is a concessions, there is a tax law. This is important. It's part of it, but it's important to see in which moment this concessions it can not be able to deepen the inequalities territorial. It is very important that in this mechanism of concessions, there is a challenge and guarantee of transparency and control social. The contract needs to have a robust accountability mechanism open, public relatórios, channels of denunciation, community and when we talk a lot in which is a difficult area of access to physical access. need to be considered challenges. to be beyond the challenges I wanted to contribute that involves a set of recommendations and a proposal. Right? first recommendation. it is important that we can strengthen social participation. that the communities ribeirians, indigenous peoples and traditional people, are sub-substantive in the design of the contract. There are specificities and realities that only those who are on the top of the day and even this, it also strengthens, to my view, the próprio design of Conceição, because it generates a social horizontal, that legitimize exactly that's the concessary. It is important that we have social and environmental issues that bring contractual obligations, with penalties for the case, for the descumprimento, and mechanisms of period review, integrated into the concessions. It is not possible to occur in São Paulo, with the Enel. and only in the case of the crisis, the need to observe ourselves the control and the acompanhamento of the concessions for the question of specific. it's very important that we can to strengthen the institutional capacity and sub-national. The federal government cannot, without providing technical support and financial aid to states and municipalities, to do the follow-up, and the fiscalization and the execution of the concessions in the territories. We know that the institutional capacity, when we go to the Eintesis, subnacional, especially in municipalities, is limited in terms of more restricted financial resources, of human capital, etc. I think that since this is necessary that the federal government consider this and strengthen this technical and financial support on the top, even to guarantee a greater capitalization in the execution of the concessions as a whole. And it's important that we have a monitoring with data abertes, so that the academy, the third sector, the population as a whole, can follow the public's contacts, that will allow all the legislators, the civil society, the community, to monitor indicators in their real time. Next. some final considerations as concessions of hydrovias, especially in Acunol, are surely a powerful instrument of development logistic economic economy, for Brazil. We need to advance, we need to build more this dialogue I'm very happy to participate in this debate here in this audience. Obviously, the success of these concessions depends on the choices of public policies that go beyond the financial structure of the idea of the leilones as a whole. Demand to governance, security, transparency, and regulatory capacity, which are not accessible, but are important conditions. And obviously, the legislature has a substitute role in the control of the contract, and the construction of robust marcos I want to thank the deputated Antônia Lúcia and the present for the opportunity. I'm here. at the time for debate and dialogue. Thank you very much.